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New Proposal for EV Chargers at Laurel Mews

The HOA has received a proposal for installation of leased EV chargers.  The idea is that the HOA would lease the chargers but pay for the electrical upwork and the installation/provisioning.  The HOA would basically then  be in the vehicle energy business for residents.  That is, we would draw power from Dominion that we’d have to pay for, plus our leasing charges, etc.  Then we’d have to figure out our pricing to meet our revenue target. The system would work via phone app where users would schedule a charging time and pay for how many kW-hrs that they need.

The vendor has two models available.  One has a fancier display screen, but both work the same.

Option -1 Model AC5500Charger Details

Option -2 Model ACLF-22100Charger Details

Background on Atlas General Contractors

There is still a lot of information to develop regarding how much charging capacity do we need, what is our time horizon to break even, and how to manage the business process,  and to do more due diligence on developing alternative bids.  So to be clear this is not a project that necessarily slated to be executed any time soon.  There is still a lot to work through.

Please be sure to read owner feedback/comments.

Doubts about EVs and EV Chargers – Unobtainium

1. I’m essentially a social libertarian, meaning I don’t care what car a person chooses to drive, the color of their hair or skin, whether they eat meat or not, or whatever. I have no bias against anyone wishing to drive an electric vehicle.

2. Also being libertarian in my thinking, I believe I shouldn’t be expected to pay for someone else’s choices. Meaning, I shouldn’t be asked and expected to pay for an electric charging station that is of no benefit to me. Let the people who drive electric vehicles pay for it.

3. I have 2 PhDs, I hold patents in molecular physics, I’m an engineer, professor, scientist and physicist. And I’ve designed nearly 1,000 water and energy utility based systems in my 50 year career.

4. The highest total cost per mile driven with any vehicle over the roads is with electric vehicles.

5. The highest total environmental damage per mile driven with any vehicle is with electric vehicles.

6. My partner, Tonya Nichols, PhD, is an ST at EPA headquarters, liaison to the White House and the National Security Council, and a year ago before she passed it off to someone else to take on two other national initiatives, was in charge of EPA’s “Critical Minerals” national initiative. She said the damage to the environment from mining lithium is and will be unimaginable. And the mineral resources are very limited in the United States, meaning we must rely on foreign countries for production of future batteries. And the environmental disposal costs will also be significant with the extent yet to be determined.

7. Please see this video regarding this issue: Unobtanium.

David J. Rigby, PhD, PE
LM Owner

What we learned at 1st Informal Community Meeting re EV Chargers

EVs stand to change the relationship that people have with commuting, touring, where and from whom they buy their vehicle energy.

Currently 92% of daily EV charging occurs at home or work. 3 out of 4 DC-area residents say they would strongly consider a plug-in EV for their next vehicle. 82% of those say that having access to a home or workplace charging is a top priority. Access to L2 fast-charging is the single biggest factor leading to EV owner satisfaction.

Virginia has a ‘Right to Charge Law‘ that requires associations to permit electric vehicle charging unless the CC&Rs prohibit it.  Of course our CC&Rs were written back when consumer EVs where not contemplated.  Yet there are still implications that maybe are covered, and navigating those contours will be the subject of court cases in the next few years for sure.

One issue would be how to accommodate owners that want a dedicated EV charger attached to their unit, but whose said units are far from the parking lot.  That scenario presents an engineering challenge.   It turns out that there are viable engineering solutions for owners of units that are far from the parking lot to have their own dedicated L2 unit. Those solutions would be very expensive for a single owner, but nevertheless possible from an engineering standpoint.

As for community chargers, there are many product options for semi-private EV chargers. Some EV chargers have smaller physical sizes than others. The smaller ones might be more desirable for parking spaces where space is more constrained.

The HOA leasing EV chargers instead of buying them might be an attractive option. Leasing in general cuts initial costs. There’s a general business adage that says, ‘Lease a depreciating asset, buy an appreciating asset.’  Any given EV charger model would certainly depreciate, require periodic repair/replacement, and certainly suffer from technical obsolescence.

For us, leasing might allow us to shift funding from acquisition of the chargers themselves, to provisioning of infrastructure. That is, we might be more able to run upworked electrical infrastructure more extensively throughout the property such that more parking spots can be EV charger ready.  In addition to along the Exxon wall, the Langston Blvd wall is a viable location for chargers, as is the area to the right of the Washington Blvd entrance. Again small profile chargers might be attractive for parking spaces where the walkways make for a tight space constraints.

Post installation, the HOA would probably become the primary source of residents’ vehicle fuel. That is, the HOA would become like a gas station. As Dominion Power would bill the HOA, the HOA would in turn have to figure how and how much to bill individuals for usage. Controlled, multi-user, metered-access capability is what separates single-home dedicated L2 chargers from semi-private chargers, and explains their 10-fold cost difference.  EV chargers come with various methods of controlled access, physical keys, physical cards, coded-access, all with or without phone apps.

Our next steps are to gather more cost data. This spreadsheet is a model of when might a purchase contract might be executed. That is, given a certain upfront cost in today’s dollars, what savings would be necessary to afford the installation given a certain phasing schedule, inflation rate, and fund interest rate. You can play around with any of the parameters and assumptions. There spreadsheet could/should be a lot more complicated if the payments to some fund were made quarterly instead of annually. It could/should include post-installation maintenance as well as operational profit/loss from charging itself.

Of course, leasing would be a completely different scenario, of which we do not have a financial plan as yet.

Types and Costs of EV Chargers

EV chargers are categorized in several ways, e.g., by the connection type and by the time it takes to fully charge a vehicle, and by private home installed or semi-private access, metered chargers.

So called Level 1 chargers charge via a normal 120 V household electrical socket.  There are cables that apparently come with the vehicle from the manufacturer.

There are Level 2 charges that themselves come in two main types,  ones for private use, say for individual homes, and ones for semi-private (community) use.  The latter is what a community association like Laurel Mews would primarily be considering, though we do have a few owners for whom a private L2 charger might be a practical solution.  The main thing about L2 chargers is that they require electrical capacity that’s upworked from what’s normally in homes, and for sure from our outdoor lighting circuit.

There is another level, Level 3, aka fast-chargers , which as of 2022 are still super-expensive.

Semi-private L2 chargers are the ones you might see at grocery stores or strip malls, and more and more at rest stops along interstate highways. (Some of those might be L3 chargers.)   In our situation, what seems likely is that we would install L2 chargers along the Exxon wall.  They would be connected to an upworked electrical junction box near the shed at 6711-I.  Each vehicle charge would somehow be metered such that each user would have some kind of card or code so to capture individual use for back-billing.  The chargers would thus have to be somehow connected via telephony, broadband, or satellite communications.

Cost estimates run ~$20k for the electrical upworking, and $15-20k for each charger.  So if we got 3 chargers (6 charging stations) today, the cost estimate would be ~$80k.

(Private L2 chargers are a lot less expensive, depending on how much electrical upworking you might require.)

There is a lot to consider before any decisions get made.  Dedicating spots for EV charging might be a bit much, and some of those parking spaces might be needed for disabled spaces going forward.  There are a few other issues in the law that stand to be tested in state and federal courts.

We would have to start thinking about how to finance the project.  Just off-hand, if this community was to implement this project for 2036 (when major manufacturers say they’ll be selling only EVs) then we as a community would have to start saving maybe ~$6400 per year ($120 per owner), assuming we can get an above-inflation interest rate on the fund, and that cost accelerations are normal at 3-4%.

But fourteen years from now is a long time, and we can expect EV charger technology and economics to turnover several times.

References

ChargeHub

EV Charging for Common Interest Communities

Tesla – Home Charging

Nextdoor EVs Group

Informal Community Meeting re Electric Vehicle Chargers

Informal Community Meeting re Electric Vehicle Chargers
Saturday, December 3rd, 9-11a
Café Kindred, 450 N Washington St Ste F, Falls Church, VA 22046

Over the last few years several neighbors have asked about having electric vehicle (EV) chargers here at Laurel Mews.  A few years ago, one of our neighbors came to the HOA with a plan to install a personal EV charger, which they implemented last year.

Their situation works because their parking space is literally just outside of their front door.  There are other units that could conceivably do the same, e.g., along the 6711, 6701 rows, maybe 1 or 2 of the 6703 units as well as behind the 6712 row.  But there are others, e.g., most of the 6704, 6707 and 6708 units, and probably all the 6705 ones, where it is probably impossible to have an L2 chargers at the individual units.  The cable span would be very long and very likely would have to be installed underground.

As you may know, Virginia has a new ‘right to charge’ law that gives individual owners in an HOA the right to make an EV charger installation, if they are willing to cover the cost, and if easement and encroachment issues can be worked out with the HOA; two or three big ifs.  Now with EVs getting more and more popular, many community associations like ours (and including ours) are looking into semi-private community EV chargers.

We are lucky here at LM to have a neighbor (Joseph Sigwarth) that works for an EV charger provider (LVL2 https://www.lvl2charging.com/).  Joseph has agreed to have an open information session with the community on this Saturday, December 3rd, at 9a at Cafe Kindred (http://www.cafekindred.com/) to discuss the current EV charger market, and how individuals and communities can get into it.

Joseph will offer some insight as to engineering solutions for units that are far from the parking lot, as well as what would be involved in installing charging stations in our common areas for semi-private use.

You can find more information about EV chargers here at our website as well as any number of other sites.  Fairfax County has a nice site on the subject,